Ultimate Profit Club is a horse racing trading service, which uses a strategy called 'dobbing'.
Dobbing involves backing a horse pre-race, then trading out at a lower price in-play to make small but consistent profits.
The great thing is, the whole process can be fully automated with the use of trading software such as Fairbot.
During our Ultimate Profit Club review, we banked a massive 154.33 points profit at 49.2% ROI!
Read about how we turned a £500 starting bank into £1271.66 or click here to get started with Ultimate Profit Club.
Introduction to Ultimate Profit Club
Ultimate Profit Club is a horse racing trading service that provides daily selections to be backed pre-race and traded out at a lower price in-play - also known as 'dobbing'.
It is run by David Clapp, who previously worked as a school teacher and a stand up comedian. He has been betting professionally for many years and has also helped his friends launch their own betting careers through UPC.
There is no history of results for this service available, but this is often the case with trading services as the results can differ from person to person. The strategy does intend to make a set percentage profit from each trade, so the results should be similar for everyone.
On the sales page, David stated that over the previous 11 weeks he had placed 444 bets with a strike rate of 75.45%, which made £7231 profit. This sounds great, but we don’t know what stakes he used.
My mission with UPC is to give you long term and consistent profits with enough excitement for you to really enjoy being part of my unique betting club. I say unique because as you'll soon see this isn't just another here today gone tomorrow tipping service.
Ultimate Profit Club
Our Ultimate Profit Club Review
We downloaded a PDF guide which explained how the dobbing process works.
In a nutshell, the selections were backed at a betting exchange two minutes before the race and then, once the desired profit target had been reached in-play, we traded out.
There were often times where it was possible to trade out for a profit before the race had even started and these are indicated in the results with the words 'Pre race'.
The selections were sent out the evening before racing and there were on average 4-5 each day during our review. There was no staking advice given, but we started with a £500 starting bank and £5 stakes.
Our reviewer (also called David!) tried to use a simple script for his trading software (Bet Angel) which fully automated the process, but he abandoned it during month one.
Month One Results
The first month of our Ultimate Profit Club review banked 47.84 points profit.
It was showing a healthy profit of £239.21 at flat £5.00 stakes and a 47.84% increase to our £500 starting bank. A massive 84.8% of the selections returned a profit.
David wrote, "I must stress at this point that these results were MY personal results. Other people using the same criteria may have had wildly different results according to when they entered and exited the various trades."
"I tried to write a program to automate the process but it was not really very successful (mainly due to the variance in tick sizes) so I abandoned it. Use of this program is indicated in the results where it says 'triggered'."
"It's hard to report an accurate ROI figure due to the liability for each trade being different depending on the exit point - the one below was calculated using the full £5 liability."
"The selection emails were sent out in plenty of time, usually the day prior to the races. It is suggested that bets are placed 2 minutes before the off time but, I found this difficult to achieve in practice so my bets were placed between 1 and 5 minutes before the off."
"On a number of occasions, I also took the option of locking in a profit before the race was even run and these are indicated in the results with the words 'Pre race'. Races can often be run within minutes of each other, which makes trading somewhat more difficult at these times."
"At times, I let the selection run without trading out, you start to get a feel for it after some time and take a chance that the selection will not fall or be beaten before the line, based upon the price movements which can be very quick."
"Finally, I found that it can be an enormous advantage to watch the race as this can drastically increase profits and reduce losses. To operate this system to its best advantage is very time consuming but so far, it does appear to be worthwhile."
|No. Of Bets||99|
|Profit/Loss (£5 stakes)||+£239.21|
|Date||Course||Time||Selection||Stake (£)||Back Odds||Lay Odds||P/L (£)||Bank (£)||Notes|
|03/12/15||Market Rasen||1.10||Askamore Darsi||5.00||8||6.4||0.98||501.93|
|04/12/15||Exeter||1.40||As De Fer||5.00||6.6||5.5||0.95||504.61|
|08/12/15||Southwell||1.00||Indomitable Spirit||5.00||7.6||6.4||0.92||505.14||Pre Race|
|08/12/15||Fontwell||1.10||Zero Visibility||5.00||2.96||2.7||0.48||505.62||Pre Race|
|08/12/15||Uttoxeter||2.20||Grove Silver||5.00||24||20||1.00||507.99||Pre Race|
|11/12/15||Bangor||1.30||Take The Mick||5.00||4.9||4.8||0.10||517.93|
|11/12/15||Bangor||3.10||Hollywood All Star||5.00||9.6||1.4||29.28||549.43|
|14/12/15||Ffos Las||1.35||Byron Blue||5.00||17||13||1.54||551.58|
|14/12/15||Plumpton||1.50||Buckthorn Tom||5.00||6.8||6||0.67||552.25||Pre Race|
|14/12/15||Ffos Las||2.10||The Drinkymeaister||5.00||4||3.6||0.56||552.81|
|17/12/15||Southwell||3.00||Fine n Dandy||5.00||3.8||1.4||8.57||569.33|
|20/12/15||Thurles||2.40||The Perfect Woman||5.00||6.2||5.1||1.08||595.95|
|22/12/15||Clonmel||1.50||Sizing Silver||5.00||10||9||0.52||595.84||Pre Race|
|27/12/15||Kempton||3.10||Cannon Fodder||5.00||9.4||8.8||0.34||594.98||Pre Race|
|27/12/15||Chelmsford||3.25||Jonnie Skull||5.00||40||32||1.25||596.23||Pre Race|
|28/12/15||Leicester||2.00||Noble Legend (A)||5.00||5.5||7.4||-1.28||602.41|
|29/12/15||Doncaster||1.10||The Grey Taylor||5.00||3.4||2.6||1.54||624.96|
|29/12/15||Doncaster||1.45||Grape Tree Flame||5.00||42||50||-0.80||624.16|
|30/12/15||Taunton||2.20||Ready Token||5.00||16||14.5||0.52||629.54||Pre Race|
|31/12/15||Warwick||2.10||Leith Hill Legasi||5.00||6.4||8.2||-1.10||630.84||Triggered|
|31/12/15||Uttoxeter||2.50||Val D,Arc||5.00||3.3||3.1||0.32||631.16||Pre Race|
|01/01/16||Musselburgh||1.00||Never Never||5.00||29||20||2.25||633.41||Pre Race|
|01/01/16||Musselburgh||2.10||Aristo Du Plessis||5.00||4.2||2.72||2.72||665.63|
|02/01/16||Ayr||2.05||Capard King||5.00||3.4||3.1||0.49||736.57||Pre Race|
Month Two Results
Month two of our review banked a further 34.14 points profit.
David traded most days, but missed a few due to personal commitments.
He wrote, "I have kept the level of my bets exactly the same as last month at £5.00. I made a profit of £170.69, which is not as dramatic as the first month but nevertheless, still a very good increase."
"My £500 starting bank has now increased by 82% to a total of £909.90."
"The emails have continued to arrive in good time to place the bets and it is often possible to place them the night before, then scalp a bit the following morning when prices have settled."
"This is not always the case so it is down to the individual whether or not they choose to go down this route. The bulk of the profit is still to be made in the 'in running' market."
"The system can be very labour intensive, but I believe that if you can commit the time to it then good profits are obtainable."
|No. Of Bets||102|
|Profit/Loss (£5 stakes)||+£170.69|
|Date||Course||Time||Selection||Stake (£)||Back Odds||Lay Odds||P/L (£)||Bank (£)||Notes|
|04/01/16||Wolverhampton||5.10||Angel Way||5.00||19.00||16.50||0.72||743.11||Pre Race|
|06/01/16||Wolverhampton||3.50||Fine N Dandy||5.00||6.20||4.00||2.75||749.47|
|07/01/16||Lingfield||3.50||Tower Power||5.00||32.00||29.00||0.44||751.34||Pre Race|
|08/01/16||Lingfield||2.10||Boxing Shadows||5.00||3.45||3.20||0.39||752.81||Pre Race|
|08/01/16||Wolverhampton||5.15||Cool Crescendo||5.00||10.00||9.20||0.43||754.79||Pre Race|
|08/01/16||Dundalk||5.30||Have A Nice Day||5.00||9.00||7.80||0.62||755.41|
|09/01/16||Lingfield||2.30||Capo Rosso||5.00||15.50||14.00||0.21||755.30||Pre Race|
|09/01/16||Punchestown||3.15||Princess Lir||5.00||8.00||7.40||0.38||757.14||Pre Race|
|10/01/16||Southwell||3.10||Pull The Pin||5.00||32.00||28.00||0.67||759.53|
|13/01/16||Chelmsford||3.55||Angel Way||5.00||19.50||18.00||0.36||759.02||Pre Race|
|13/01/16||Kempton||5.40||Secular Society||5.00||42.00||38.00||0.53||759.55||Pre Race|
|15/01/16||Huntingdon||1.20||Vaillant Creek||5.00||7.80||7.20||0.42||753.78||Pre Race|
|15/01/16||Huntingdon||3.20||Three Faces West||5.00||2.30||2.18||0.28||754.06|
|18/01/16||Plumpton||3.15||Leith Hill Legasi||5.00||8.80||8.20||0.52||767.25|
|20/01/16||Lingfield||2.10||Shadow Rock||5.00||28.00||22.00||1.36||774.00||Pre Race|
|21/01/16||Wincanton||2.10||Alder Mairi||5.00||14.50||13.00||0.54||772.33||Pre Race|
|21/01/16||Gowran||3.45||Tell Us More||5.00||1.51||2.26||-1.42||772.87|
|22/01/16||Market Rasen||2.55||Father Probus||5.00||11.50||9.40||1.14||802.34|
|22/01/16||Market Rasen||3.30||Captain Kelly||5.00||25.00||30.00||-0.93||801.41|
|22/01/16||Lingfield||3.40||Magic Garden||5.00||13.00||11.50||0.67||802.08||Pre Race|
|23/01/16||Ascot||3.00||Un De Sceaux||5.00||1.60||1.01||2.92||826.87|
|27/01/16||Catterick||1.20||Point The Way||5.00||2.78||1.01||8.76||845.13|
|27/01/16||Kempton||4.40||We Have A Dream||5.00||10.50||17.00||-1.91||844.63|
|30/01/16||Uttoxeter||2.20||Over My Head||5.00||6.00||2.30||8.04||898.54|
|30/01/16||Uttoxeter||4.05||Ace Fighter Pilot||5.00||10.50||7.20||2.29||897.02||Pre Race|
|01/02/16||Plumpton||2.10||Zero Visibility||5.00||4.40||4.00||0.50||901.65||Pre Race|
Month Three Results
The final month of our Ultimate Profit Club review was the most lucrative of the lot, banking 72.35 points profit.
Our £500 starting bank had now risen to £1271.66 after just three months!
David wrote, "Although not part of the remit for the trial, I was interested to see if just blindly backing the selections with a £5.00 stake would show any form of profit."
"I am pleased to report that had you backed every selection for £5.00 at the odds that I obtained, you would have wagered a total of £1545.00 but your return would have been £1683.35, a profit of £138.35 with little or no effort at all."
"Some of this it has to be said is down to a fantastic day on 1st March with four good priced winners."
|Date||Course||Time||Selection||Stake (£)||Back Odds||Lay Odds||P/L (£)||Bank (£)||Notes|
|04/02/16||Wincanton||1.30||Brise Vendeene||5.00||2.40||2.24||0.36||921.12||Pre Race|
|04/02/16||Southwell||1.50||Fine n Dandy||5.00||7.80||1.01||34.00||955.12|
|04/02/16||Wincanton||3.40||The Italian yob||5.00||17.50||15.00||0.83||959.26|
|05/02/16||Catterick||2.25||Over And Above||5.00||21.00||23.00||-0.43||985.36|
|06/02/16||Sandown||2.25||Bristol De Mai||5.00||2.28||1.01||6.29||991.77|
|07/02/16||Musselburgh||1.30||The Grey Taylor||5.00||4.80||3.00||3.00||996.98|
|07/02/16||Musselburgh||3.00||Aristo Du Plessis||5.00||5.00||4.00||1.25||998.23|
|08/02/16||Wolverhampton||2.40||Luv U Whatever||5.00||13.50||16.50||-0.91||998.07|
|08/02/16||Fakenham||3.20||Bishop Wulstan||5.00||7.00||5.60||1.25||1000.65||Pre Race|
|08/02/16||Fakenham||3.50||Entry To Everywhere||5.00||6.80||5.50||1.18||1001.83||Pre Race|
|08/02/16||Wolverhampton||5.10||More Spice||5.00||2.98||2.84||0.25||1000.21||Pre Race|
|10/02/16||Southwell||2.45||Royal Holiday||5.00||9.40||8.60||0.47||1025.06||Pre Race|
|12/02/16||Wetherby||4.10||Epic Warrior||5.00||6.80||6.40||0.33||1040.20||Pre Race|
|12/02/16||Wolverhampton||5.15||Fine 'n' Dandy||5.00||4.80||3.95||1.08||1041.62|
|12/02/16||Dundalk||5.30||Long Journey Home||5.00||2.62||2.52||0.20||1041.82|
|13/02/16||Warwick||2.05||Grape Tree Flame||5.00||19.50||17.50||0.57||1042.39|
|13/02/16||Warwick||4.25||Back By Midnight||5.00||12.00||11.00||0.45||1047.39|
|14/02/16||Southwell||3.20||Fine 'n' Dandy||5.00||10.50||9.00||0.83||1047.58|
|16/02/16||Southwell||3.40||Robert The Painter||5.00||11.00||15.00||-1.33||1055.12|
|25/02/16||Huntingdon||3.55||Hollow Blue Sky||5.00||4.00||3.60||0.56||1136.65|
|26/02/16||Lingfield||3.35||Robert The Painter||5.00||11.50||13.00||-0.58||1137.35|
|26/02/16||Warwick||4.15||Take The Mick||5.00||12.00||11.00||0.45||1137.80|
|26/02/16||Exeter||4.25||Three Faces West||5.00||3.40||2.80||1.07||1138.87|
|27/02/16||Lingfield||1.45||Take Cover||5.00||7.40||7.00||0.29||1138.54||Pre Race|
|27/02/16||Lingfield||2.45||Be Perfect||5.00||13.50||13.00||0.19||1138.73||Pre Race|
|27/02/16||Chepstow||4.20||Dance Floor King||5.00||8.40||10.00||-0.80||1149.24|
|27/02/16||Kempton||4.45||De Kerry Man||5.00||6.00||6.60||-0.45||1148.79|
|01/03/16||Leicester||4.20||Man Of Steel||5.00||4.80||1.01||24.00||1192.75|
|02/03/16||Wolverhampton||4.40||Pick A Little||5.00||42.00||32.00||1.56||1271.66|
During our three month Ultimate Profit Club review, we banked 154.33 points profit.
David kept to flat £5.00 stakes throughout the review and he was able to trade on most days. His £500 starting bank increased to £1271.66, a total profit of £771.66, which was a very impressive increase of 154.3%.
He wrote, "I have to stress at this point that these results are only pertinent to me. Yours may well differ according to your entry and exit points for each trade. Sometimes I exited far too early and other times perhaps did not stay in long enough."
"There were times during the review that I decided to let the selection run without trading out, you start to get a feel for it after some time and take a chance that the selection will not fall or be beaten before the line."
"As stated before, it can be an advantage to view the race as this can drastically increase profits and reduce losses."
"The guide states that it is possible to automate the process with a bot. However, I used Bet Angel in real time as I got into a right muddle trying to automate the bets. This was very time consuming and, sometimes, races were run within almost seconds of each other which made things a little tricky."
"I have no hesitation in awarding Ultimate Profit Club a resounding pass as it made me a very nice profit."
We cannot argue with that and fully support David's recommendation. Ultimate Profit Club has produced some of the most consistent profits we have seen during any of our horse racing reviews.
|Review Stats||154.33pts profit, 49.2% ROI, 78.7% SR|
|Stakes||Whatever you choose – we used £5 stakes|
|Starting bank||100 points|
|Average no. bets||4-5 per day|
|Time of emails||Evening before races|
|Price||£25 for 14 days, £40 for 28 days or £80 for 90 days|
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During our three month Ultimate Profit Club review, we banked £771.66 profit to £5 stakes. We can highly recommend this horse racing dobbing strategy for Betfair.
- Selections sent out evening before races
- PDF guide explaining how the system works
- Straight backing the selections was also profitable during our trial
- Consistent results
- Time consuming unless you are able to automate using a bot
20 thoughts on “Ultimate Profit Club Review: Betfair Horse Trading System”
Have been using UPC for a few weeks now, but there are some questions I need answering regarding the possible stop/loss idea.
I have set up an automation for BetAngel and really need to know, as it doesn’t seem clear in the instructions what the guidelines are for looking to come out of a trade if things are not going well.
15% is put forward as a possible profit for any trade made (although I see Dave – the reviewer does not follow this, should there therefore be a stop/loss if any possible liability goes above 15% above the trade made?
I know if you are watching a race, it is possible to get ‘clues’, but as I want to set up automation rules, this isn’t a consideration.
I would love to hear from you Dave, with what steps you have taken regarding coming out of a trade, or do you simply accept close to a full loss on a trade? I notice you only have one loss in Month #2, this being close to the full £5s, would really appreciate some input on this, as I feel the initial instructions do lack details on possible stop/loss, thanks
Sorry, I didn’t click over and see other results from Dave, I know see lower figure losses, so would appreciate your input Dave how you manage your stop/loss.
Re UPC – I got into an awful muddle trying to automate a stop loss using Betangel. I probably approached it wrongly and the variance in tick sizes was my main problem here. Therefore, as stated in update one, I abandoned this idea. I do agree that the manual is not that good overall at explaining this aspect.
I now load the selections into Betangel on a daily basis and play the races live with just the greening button selected.
I initially try to get a few pennies by pre race scalping but, if this is not possible or a drop of a tick or two is all that is happening then, I am ready to pounce once the race is in play. I do this once I am happy with the amount of green available at that moment (prices move very quickly as you will be aware) or I feel that the red is large enough and I pull out. I am however happy to accept the full loss of £5 if I have to but this has not happened yet although it has come closeish!
I do feel as stated in my review that this is a very labour intensive way of going about things and in truth, once the review is over, this is something that I may dip in and out of at will making my own selections
I hope that this helps a bit but do feel free to come back to me
One other aspect that I am exploring although not part of the trial is whether or not blindly backing all of the selections gives an overall profit as many of them as you will know do go on to win. I may well add a sentence or so re this at the end of the final months review
Thanks for the latest round up.
I am very interested in the Ultimate Profit Club, being a racing fan.
I wonder if you could help me please?
Is it possible for you to answer the following:
I know that UPC requires Gruss in order to fire the correct bets in to the market if I want
to set this on autopilot before work, however do I require anything else such as Microsoft
excel, or can I simply place the bets and load my lay instructions directly in to Gruss?
I hope this doesn’t seem a stupid question, I am not at all familiar with Gruss, I have also
purchased services before only to find I actually need an additional software that I do not
Thanks in advance,
I am sorry but I have absolutely no knowledge of Gruss other than its name. I use Betangel and as stated place my bets live. I could probably automate the process using its Guardian feature but as stated above, I got into an awful muddle with tick sizes (probably the wrong approach).
I cannot find any reference to the use of Gruss in my paperwork on the system but the author does mention various other bots including Betangel, fairbot and cymatic so I see no reason why Gruss would not work.
Sorry that this is probably not of much use to you but maybe another member may be able to assist.
Interesting review. Can I ask if the £5 stake (1% of bank) is the recommended stake?? If not what is the recommended stake vs bank … Thanks
In the manual, the author states – “I will show you simple £5 trades (the more we can trade, the more we will make). I therefore used this as a basis for my stakes. I have kept them at this level for the length of the trial but on a personal basis, I would increase/decrease them as my bank increased/decreased.
There is no suggested starting bank for this and I suppose that you could start very small with a bank of say £30. Obviously you would then be placing £2 bets at this level but, you could sustain 15 losses in a row before your bank was exhausted.
One of the things that I do like about this is that your maximum liability is known at the start as you are backing first. One of the downsides is that I feel to fully optimise this, is very time consuming and this has in my opinion to be weighed up against the returns achieved.
Hope this helps
When you are looking to lay do you have a % profit in mind.
I do not have a specific % profit in mind. I do watch the figures as they move very quickly and when I am either happy with the perceived profit or do not like the way a potential loss is going I get out. I said that I use Betangel and this seems to fire my bets into the market quite quickly although I never ever mastered automating it for this.
I do not do much with horses these days as I am concentrating on a new idea that I have had to scalp from football matches with as little downside as possible and am currently amassing data for this and testing before making my fortune !!!!!
Hope this helps
Good luck with the scalping hope you make a fortune.
Tried it for a month but only made losses.
I am a member of UPC, do you still use it?
Did you make further improvements on it?
Which time is the best to go into the trade?
When is the best time to exit? At which percentage of the stake?
Surely it isn’t possible to automate this system – the reason being that any stop loss set through bet angel will be unreliable ie – if the selection has a bad start, is left in the stalls etc etc then the price will go straight through the stop loss which won’t be hit.
You can automate the hedge price no problem at all but its impossible to automate any in play stop loss reliably. That’s why you would need to trade manually and with live pictures.
I operate a similar system to this which is profitable, but everyone will get a different profit/loss
hi terry thank you for the reply. which system do you operate? is it possible to learn it from you?
Hi, presuming the p / l either side is 15% and this is set with a bot, is it safe to say that a £1000 betting bank using 1% stakes could actually be used by placing Stakes of £66.70 so that the 15% either side is £10? Therefore max loss being £10 which is the 1% of the betting bank?
This means risking 1 point for 1 point profit, as long as the strike rate is over 50% there should be a profit?
Hi David, Yes that’s correct, a strike rate of over 50% when aiming to make 100% profit from each bet would be profitable.
Any goalprofit members still using this and is it still performing
No idea if this will be answered so long after the trial but reading through the results I have some concerns.
There appears to be large periods of time where he is treading water to be saved by massive profit injections of 5-13 points (£64 profit on a single race is the largest of these) which to me suggests he let mid-priced horses run into wins rather than trading out for one point profit.
My question would be is this an explained part of the system rules or is this something he just did of his own accord? It makes quite a difference to the perceived profitability of the system and as it isn’t explained why it looks a little suspect to an uneducated observer, especially as I would expect to see more full 5pt losses if he was doing this.
Hi Maz, I asked the reviewer Dave about this and unfortunately he can’t quite remember as it was quite some time ago. In one of the updates he did say “At times I let the selection run without trading out, you start to get a feel for it after some time and take a chance that the selection will not fall or be beaten before the line, based upon the price movements which can be very quick.”
If I remember correctly, the system didn’t say what point to trade out at so it is down to the user’s discretion.
Thanks for the reply it was greatly appreciated, I hope you don’t think I was being overly picky it’s just I was trying to get a feel for the service and yours is the only site I could find that’s really attempted a running review of it.
As far as I understood dobbing you’re mainly aiming for a coin toss (make or lose one point) which would still make this service profitable but I was trying to get a feel for how much of Dave’s profits were down to the system rules/selections and how much was down to his instincts.
I may give the service a go for a while, see how the approach suits me and then if it does see if I can make my own selections through pacecards.com